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ParagonRenovations by ParagonRenovations Journeyman(January 2008) (rank 1st)
Re: Stone tile floors in a manufactured home
Asked by Maxpower

Question:

We were thinking of doing some 2'x2' stone tile in our manufactured home, but I've heard two different stories:  One says no problem, the other says I'll need to reinforce the floors somehow.  Anyone ever deal with this?



My Advice:

Okay here is some advice for you.  I talked to a couple associates and here are some of the things we came up with. 

First of all how is your home set?  On a foundation or on piers?  If the house is set on a permanent conventional foundation with footing into the ground below the frostline, I would tile it. If it is set only on block piers I would not. I don't care how well built the house is, if it isn't stable the tiles will more than likely crack.

I think yes, ceramic tile could be used on the floors of manufactured homes, if the floors meet industry standards. The primary concern is that the floor is structurally sound and DOES NOT have a deflection greater than Length/360, which means no more than 1" deflection within a 30' span. For stone the deflection can't be greater than L/720, which means no more than 1/2" deflection within a 30' span. Of course, you need to make sure you use the correct adhesive for the respective substrate you choose (use a quality epoxy or a flexible latex/polymer modified thin-set), and that you have a waterproof membrane (here is  http://www.schluter.com/6_1_ditra.aspx an example of an excellent product it is innovative and is well worth the money that you will pay for it)  in any areas that would get any exposure to moisture. You also need to have expansion joints around the perimeters and every 24' to 36' in all directions.

There are other concerns to take into account.  Depending upon the structural integrity of the subfloor and whether it needs to be reinforced next you need to ask what kind of doors will be affected in the area you are considering tiling.  If it is an entry and you have a fiberglass door and you need to add lets say a 3/4" underlayment and then the tile you would effectivly raise the floor 1 1/8"you will need to trim the doors more than likely and if there is a fiberglass door there this will be very tough to accomplish.  Also if you are going to lay down rugs as tile is a slippery area and if your climate is cold then you have a slip and fall concern (I live in Minnesota so I know about the snow).  If this is an entry and you have only x amount of clearance now almost any entry door will be imposssible to alter at all height wise. The only option is to get a different door if you can't increase the height of the door at all.

There are some other options availible to you such as high quality linoleums that mimic tile.  These are very durable and very attractive but very expensive as well.  You could also look at some wood products.  I would stay away from Laminate flooring as there are some inherent problems with this product and I think you will see a backlash on the laminate industry in the next decade.  I know it is all the rave but I think the jury is still out on the interlock product lines.  The old glue together products are better than the new interlock because they sealed the gaps with invisible glue.

I could go on and on but it is really hard to give you a professional opinion from here.  I think what I would do is call some tilers and tell them what you are planning.  Have them come over and give you a free estimate.  Even if they charge you a little estimate charge the money spent will be invaluable insight and well worth the investment.  They will give you their insight on the project and let you know whether they would be willing to do the work AND warranty it.  If they are willing to do the work but aren't willing to warranty it I would sasy they are saying to you, "yeah we will take your money to put it in but it is going to fail and we know it."

I hope that I have given you some worthwhile advice.  I know what it is like to just want a yes or no answer but as you know being in the industry it is not really possible sometimes to say "yes" or "no"

I wish you good luck and let us know what you find out.

Happy Refurbing!

James

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 Maxpower
Trainee Maxpower | Vote: | January 2008
Re: Max you are a busy person
Yes, I am busy, running my own company and building a garage and deck and flooring.....it never ends.  OK, here's some more info: Its a 2004 double wide manufactured, the longest one they make(76').  It has a permanent foundation, very well done.  In fact, the company we bought the home from was so impressed they came out and took pictures.  Apparently when you set a manufactured, it will inevitably settle over the next year, causing cracks in the seams of the drywall.  We haven't had a hint of one, and its been 4 years.  Using your info, I think the subfloor is structurally sound enough, however it will be in an entry way, and unless I change the swing of my front door to swing out, LOL, 1.2" ain't going to cut it.  We live on property with horses, and a lot of traffic, mud, etc., so I thing I will try to convince the CEO we need to look at linoleum.  Thanks for the info James, Paul.


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 ParagonRenovations
Journeyman ParagonRenovations | Vote: | January 2008
Re: Max you are a busy person

Paul,

The new manufactured homes are well built.  They are starting to rival the quality of some site built homes as the atmosphere they are built in is a controlled environment.  They are not subjected to rain hard sun or other ills ol' mother nature brings.  Most people would be shocked at the crap that is behind those pretty sheetrocked walls such as mold mildew and other "icky" stuff.

I would not be suprised to hear that your home is probably up to snuff spec wise but I would just check with the manufacturer as I think they could quickly answer the spec question.  HOWEVER I see that you only have 1 1/4" gap and that is awfully close for comfort unless the existing subfloor is within ASTM standards and then all you would need to do is add a layer of Ditra which is going to give you about ohhhhh 1/8" increase and the 3/8 ish will give you a total rise of 1/2" but then you have rugs to take into account but you COULD get a low rug.

I just want you to make an informed decision but the most important decision a lot of time comes from the top the CEO has a lot to do with it.

I wish you good luck and if there is any other insight I can lend please do not hesitate to ask!

Good Luck and Happy Refurbing!

OHH and I respect the business thing and the home renovation and raising kids I know how the never ending goes!  As a matter of fact I have about another two hours of work to get done but I enjoy lending a hand here to all of those that may be in need of insight!  It is good for me to look at all of these situations as it gives me a chance to run the scenarios through my head and see how I will handle them if I haven't already encountered them.  The real world experience is what I see here and that is why it makes it so enjoyable to come here and spend time with you all!



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